CNS Legislative Committee MEETING MINUTES

California Neurology Society CNS • April 4, 2025

When the HOD comes up in October, is there a focus or a position that we want to have ready for discussion and hopefully CMA will take on these topics.

Minutes of the July 17, 2024, LEDGE meeting

Maintenance of Certification per Jeff Klingman (previously Chairman of Neurology at Kaiser Permanente, Northern California):

"Previously hospitals and probably insurance companies came up with the idea that continued certification would prove that you were still competent. Previously it was thought that if you just continued practicing and continued your education you would still be competent. Before 1990 it was thought that if you were still doing medicine, you would be okay.

The perception was that you needed some sort of proof that you were still competent. That was confiscated by the American Board of medical specialties which turned it into a huge moneymaking operation. Previously you were certified once and then were done with the continuing certification which turned out to be a huge cash flow situation. The board was making a fortune off particularly medical subspecialties. There was a scandal over the cost of it.

They came up with an alternative, the Medical Board of Physicians and Surgeons (MBPAS) and this was presented to the CMA. The MBPAS has only required the doctors maintain their education and the doctors will be happy with it, but the problem was that you need the hospitals and medical groups to be on board. So, if you work for Permanente, the largest group in the state, you can’t become a senior physician unless you have your ABMS as certification. Some doctors in our group don’t keep up the maintenance of certification which is fine if you have a hospital that will keep you on staff, but a lot of the hospitals and medical groups will only recognize the American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS). So, if a doctor tells Kaiser Permanente that they’re just going to be with the MBPAS, Kaiser Permanente won't accept that and they need to be certified by the ABMS."

Jeff Klingman suggested approaching the American Board of Psychiatry & Neurology (ABPN) and explaining to them that what they’re doing is onerous and there’s no evidence that it improves medical care and recommend that the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology come up with something that makes more sense. There is no proof that it’s beneficial and what they have done in certain boards, for example obstetrics, you just must read a certain number of cases you don’t have to take a big test. Stella pointed out that they are surgeons and what if they haven’t been in the operating room for 10 years? Dr. Klingman mentioned that they probably do have to document their cases. Stella presented the organizational chart attached.

Stella presented the cons of being a neurologist requiring extensive and expensive educational requirements, long hours and shifts, frustrations about our patients not getting well sometimes, lack of autonomy and control, utilization review, ever-increasing time management, complications of EHR, lack of professionalism in the workplace, stress of group practice, striking a work-life balance to prevent physician burnout and early retirement, absent parenting, difficulty with relationships, divorce, and suicide.

The maintenance of certification should be Maintenance of Care. The focus should be on our own field that we're doing so that a headache specialist only has to certify on their specialty relating to headaches. An MS specialist must keep up with MS related medical issues, for example.

There are compassion tools for physicians and patients. Physicians need to support their own well-being, which is part of professional development. There should be a paradigm shift to Maintenance of Care of both patients and physicians, utilizing artificial intelligence (AI) programs to assist in physician development and testing. AI could shift to what is individual for each physician’s practice and everyone could have AI generated modules just for their unique recertification.

Stella made a Diagram about AI generated individualized certification and self-care programs. Roger commented on Stella’s approach to the board. The ABPN is controlling both the initial certification in neurology and the continuation of certification.

Jeff pointed out that his wife gave up certification because her hospital did not require it, most of the recertifying examination questions were research oriented. For example, adult neurologists do not need to keep up with Pediatric Neurology. We can advocate all we want, but how do we persuade the ABPN? How do we work with them? This is a 40-year-old approach. Johanna tried to say, “What do we want to do about this? Start with a letter to the American Academy of Neurology (AAN) writing a version of Stella’s committee presentation. We must start someplace.

Roger and Jeff pointed out that the public wanted to know if the doctors were competent, but somehow this became mixed with maintenance of certification, the two issues were mixed, but the Board should only Certify and not necessarily Maintain certification.

Steve Cattolica took a turn pointing out that we have dissected the issues but the way to get it done is to get people on our side. No matter how complete the idea is, it will be irrelevant unless we have more people with us. We must involve more people, and those people must feel like they have contributed. The AAN has a vision statement that must be lived up to if they are going to be any part of this. The maintenance of certification issue is indispensable to AAN, because it is indispensable cash flow and so they are not going to change. How are we going to set things up so they don't incur losses on recertification? Steve Cattolica says invite AAN to the TABLE and write them a letter first.

Next meeting will start with HOW DO WE CHANGE MOC to MAINTENANCE OF CERTIFICATION?


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Quick recap The team discussed the financial implications of transportation for people with epilepsy and proposed potential solutions, including allocating a dollar from truck registration towards retraining or local transportation budgets. They also discussed healthcare policies, particularly a bill aiming to align the standards of administering life-saving medicines to people with seizures in adult day centers with FDA standards. Lastly, they discussed the risks of head injuries in children playing tackle football and the potential for introducing a bill to raise awareness about the impact of head injuries on children's brain development. Next steps Selim to send conference information to Sean Porter. Selim to create or coordinate creation of a formal invitation for the legislative reception on May 1st. Johanna to contact Sean Porter about potential legislation sponsorship and discuss the epilepsy transportation issue. Stella to write a letter to the NFL praising them for flag football and encouraging them to promote safety in youth football. Johanna to resubmit the full CMA resolution documents, ensuring all content fits within the submission guidelines. Selim to contact the Governor's office and healthcare representatives to invite them to speak at the May 1st legislative day. Johanna to attend the CMA legislative day on May 21st, arriving the night before. Jeff to attend the CMA legislative day on May 21st. Legislative team to continue pursuing the head injury bill with potential sponsors. Johanna to follow up with Michelle Rodriguez's office about attending the May 1st reception and potentially meeting with the team. Summaries Transportation Funding for Epilepsy Patients Johanna discussed the financial implications of transportation for people with epilepsy, suggesting that those who cannot drive due to their condition should receive a portion of the taxes paid by those who can drive. She proposed a potential solution of allocating a dollar from the registration of 18-wheeler trucks towards retraining or budget for local transportation departments. Steve agreed with Johanna's points about the funding and taxation system, but expressed concerns about the feasibility of taxing truck drivers due to their strong union. The conversation ended with Stella and Nick joining the conversation. Healthcare Policy Discussion and Support Selim, Dr. Stella Legarda, Dr. Joanna Rosenthal, and Steve Cattolica met with Nick, a legislative representative, to discuss healthcare policies. They expressed support for a bill, Assembly Bill 369, which aims to align the standards of who can administer life-saving medicines to people with seizures in adult day centers with FDA standards. They also discussed the possibility of Nick's office giving a talk about the bill at their upcoming conference in Sacramento. Additionally, they mentioned a previous bill, the Levine Bill, which they supported and was recently passed. Addressing Tackle Football Risks in Children Johanna and Stella discussed the risks of head injuries in children playing tackle football, particularly in the developing brain. They mentioned a bill that partially went through last year, which required parents to sign a waiver acknowledging the risks. They also discussed a study by Boston University's CTE Center, which found that 100% of professional football players under 30 had chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). Stella suggested that the National Football League should prioritize long-term brain health in children and proposed a joint resolution between the House and Senate to create an age limit for tackle football, similar to other contact sports. Addressing Head Injuries and Epilepsy In the meeting, Johanna, Stella, and Nick discussed the possibility of introducing a bill to raise awareness about the impact of head injuries on children's brain development and the subsequent challenges faced by those affected. They agreed that the bill should be the primary focus, with a resolution as a fallback option. Nick committed to discussing the idea with his team and superiors, acknowledging the challenge of securing funding in the current budget deficit. The team also discussed the potential for job training programs and transportation assistance for individuals with epilepsy who lose their driver's licenses. The conversation ended with the understanding that the issue is underserved and needs to be addressed. Bill Language and Legislative Session Nick agreed to follow up on the ideas discussed with his team and send the bill language to Stella for support. Johanna reminded Nick of a February 21st deadline for new legislation and asked about the number of bills his department was sponsoring. Nick clarified that they were limited due to the shortened session and the new member's role. Johanna proposed an invitation for Nick's department to attend the legislative session on May 1st and visit the office in the Capitol. Nick agreed to this and provided Selim with the scheduler's email. Steve expressed his appreciation for the bill and the progress it aimed to achieve. State Funding and Project Income Johanna and Stella discussed the challenges of generating income for their projects and the need to approach the state for funding. They also discussed their interactions with the Principal Consultant on the Senate Transportation Committee, Melissa White, who advised them against asking for money, suggesting instead to extend the service to the population. Johanna expressed her belief that they could find a workaround and generate income from the state, while Stella emphasized the importance of presenting their goals clearly and avoiding the perception of asking for extra money. They agreed to continue their efforts and to invite the legislative assistant to a meeting to further discuss their plans. Youth Sports Concussion Prevention Efforts Stella, Johanna, and Selim discussed the committee's legislative efforts, particularly focusing on concussion prevention in youth sports. They agreed on the need for a joint resolution between the House and the Senate to limit contact sports for under-12s, rather than a bill. They also discussed the potential for using the legislation as a bargaining chip with the NFL. Johanna mentioned that she had sent letters to the NFL and other organizations, and Stella suggested writing a letter to the NFL praising their adoption of flag football. The team also discussed the importance of Selim speaking up in meetings, as he has a strong understanding of the legislative process. Lastly, they planned to invite representatives from the Governor's office to their upcoming legislative day. Epilepsy Medication and Transportation Discussion Johanna, Stella, Jeff, and Selim discussed various topics, including epilepsy medication, transportation for epilepsy patients, and potential legislation. Stella mentioned a bill she was involved with last year, which allowed school personnel to administer epilepsy medication to students. Johanna suggested a new approach to claw back some of the money epilepsy patients pay for transportation they can't use. Jeff agreed, stating that it wouldn't cost much for transportation agencies to provide free transportation for epilepsy patients. They also discussed the possibility of bringing the issue to a state level, as opposed to individual municipalities. Selim asked about reaching out to Sean Porter, and Johanna agreed to do so. Lastly, they discussed the upcoming CMA resolutions and the possibility of attending a legislative day on May 21st.
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